galads_forest ([info]galads_forest) wrote,
@ 2005-05-02 15:33:00
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My frum story
As per [info]lola100's request in her questions to me, I decided to post my frum story.


I grew up in London, Ontario, a smaller city with very few Jews and even fewer religious Jews. (In fact, the number of religious families could be counted on one hand.) I grew up in a pretty Conservative home. We went to shul probably once a month or so, and always for High Holidays. We kept a pretty fair semblance of kosher (meat yes, dairy no, separate dishes). I went to the tiny Jewish Day School there up until grade 6, then switched to public school.

Anyway, I was always more observant than the rest of my family. As a little kid, I would opt to spend my Shabbos mornings in shul with my Bubie, rather than stay home. Since my shul was very egalitarian (then one of the few egalitarian Conservative shuls in Ontario) by the time I was fifteen or so, I was emulating my role models in the shul by coming to shul every week, being active in USY, etc. I even made my own tallis (got the instructions from the Rabbi and followed all the halachas), wore tefillin, and often to myself davened at home in the mornings. I also began keeping Shabbos and eating only dairy out of the house. This went on for about 2 years or so. By the end of the two years though I was starting to feel like something was missing. I'd been over to my Rabbi's house over Shabbos and noticed that his kids were eating non-kosher marshmallows and were turning on and off the lights over Shabbos. I realized that I was more religious than my own Rabbi at this point and that things may have to change.

In the mean time, I met Avri who was active in NCSY and thought I was crazy, but dated me anyway. After meeting him, I started to get to know his parents and friends who were Orthodox. Now, you must understand that it was always drilled into me that Orthodox people were "extreme" and "weird" and since I didn't really know any, there had never been any doubt in my mind that this was the case... but now I did. But this was not what swayed me to the "dark side"...

One day, I was walking down the street in London, and a man from our congregation stopped me to tell me, "What a great thing I was doing for the women's movement and how he wishes that more young girls were like me." These words really struck a chord with me and left me feeling very distressed. Was this the impression I was giving? That I was only doing all these 'feminist' things because I was promoting feminist Judaism? This was not why I was doing these things at all. All I wanted to do was get closer to G-d and this was the only way I knew how. I was not fighting a war for the feminist movement. I was trying to find my place in Judaism. Soon after, I packed up my tallis and tefillin (much to Avri's delight).

I started to learn more about Orthodoxy and within a year of that moment, I began to officially identify myself as an Orthodox Jew. That fall I moved to Toronto. Two years after that and I got married and it's been another 3 1/2 years and we have a beautiful daughter. The future... well that's up to You Know Who (no, not Voldemort!)

If you want more details, feel free to ask away.



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[info]gittygiggles
2005-05-02 07:44 pm UTC (link)
Now, you must understand that it was always drilled into me that Orthodox people were "extreme" and "weird" and since I didn't really know any, there had never been any doubt in my mind that this was the case.

i had the same thing!!!!

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[info]galads_forest
2005-05-02 07:47 pm UTC (link)
I wish that people would just see what living a frum life is about before the bash it! Especially people of authority like Reform and Conservative Rabbis.

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[info]gittygiggles
2005-05-02 07:49 pm UTC (link)
i agree! it seems people are so hot to JUDGE but throw up their arms and scream if they're ever judged!

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(no subject) - [info]galads_forest, 2005-05-02 07:52 pm UTC
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[info]ichur72
2005-05-02 09:03 pm UTC (link)
I was scared to death to enter an Orthodox shul at first. I had this certainty, somewhere in the back of my mind, that I'd end up getting chased away by a scary guy with a beard yelling, "Infidel! Out!" or something like that. (And I did hear a good bit of sneering at a C congregation I was going to for a while.) Am I ever glad that I swallowed my fear and went anyway. What I found ended up being one of the best surprises of my life.

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[info]galads_forest
2005-05-02 09:15 pm UTC (link)
In a small town, where there's only one of each kind of shul, everyone knows where you're from and where you've gone. The looks from both sides (but mostly from the side you've left) are enough to kill.

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(no subject) - [info]ichur72, 2005-05-02 09:43 pm UTC

[info]gittygiggles
2005-05-03 01:49 am UTC (link)
i still dont quite fit in an orthodox shul :) except for my shul...but i dont fit in there b/c everyone is old. (and by old, i mean 60)

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(no subject) - [info]galads_forest, 2005-05-03 02:30 am UTC
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[info]pradagirl
2005-05-02 08:32 pm UTC (link)
*sniffle*
That is such a beautiful story.
I find that I want to live a frum life.

I have a huge dilema.
I find that I don't want to date guys that are refrom or conservative...they're so out of touch with their Jewish roots.
Most frum guys I've met have been ugly to boot and I find I usually have nothing in common with them...
What's a girl to do?

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[info]ichur72
2005-05-02 09:06 pm UTC (link)
Keep looking. There are frum guys who aren't ugly, and there are frum guys who aren't boring. (Believe me, I thank G-d I found my husband, though it certainly took a while and I went on more horrible dates than I wanted to.)

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[info]pradagirl
2005-05-03 05:24 am UTC (link)
I don't know where to look anymore!!
I've been on such horrible days you have no idea.
I just which I could get a nice balanced guy.

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[info]galads_forest
2005-05-02 09:17 pm UTC (link)
My friend Naomi's having the exact same problem. She's very traditional but not outright frum (at least yet and can't find a guy on her level).

But not all frum guys are ugly and baal teshuva guys that aren't way out there generally can understand your experiences...

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[info]pradagirl
2005-05-03 05:28 am UTC (link)
Thats the thing...I yearn to be frum.
I want a Jewish home.
I want to cover my hair when I get married...
I want to follow the family purity laws.
I want to keep kosher.
I want my children to be immersed in Judaism at all times.
I want them to have a very strong Jewish identity.

p.s. I'm so glad you've given me the opportunity to get to know you.
Thanks :-)

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(no subject) - [info]galads_forest, 2005-05-03 05:47 pm UTC

[info]gittygiggles
2005-05-03 01:50 am UTC (link)
import a guy ;) that's what i did!

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[info]galads_forest
2005-05-03 02:30 am UTC (link)
Ooh, good plan! Converts make great hubbies!

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(no subject) - [info]pradagirl, 2005-05-03 05:28 am UTC
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[info]monkeymiriam
2005-05-03 04:02 am UTC (link)
Isnt it coming up to you Anniversity??? Isnt it May 31 or was in April, I know you got married sometime in the last week of May or April.. I think it was May right...
Need a FREE Babysitter when you Avri go out????

Just email me and I'll come over..

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[info]galads_forest
2005-05-03 05:48 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for the offer. It is May 31. I think that Bernine said that Chana could sleep over when we do manage to go out and celebrate. I'll call you if she can't do it.

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[info]lola100
2005-05-03 01:55 pm UTC (link)
Wow. All these stories are so inspiring. I love to hear them. It makes me appreciate more what I had all along. I guess I take it for granted sometimes.

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Impressive story!
[info]kressel
2005-05-03 06:07 pm UTC (link)



I followed the links from [info]ichur72's page. I was fascinated because I have my own website explaining the women's role in Orthodox Judaism which includes two articles on the issue of tallis, On Equality and Singular Opportunities. May I add your frum story as a link to Singular Opportunities?

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Re: Impressive story!
[info]galads_forest
2005-05-03 06:37 pm UTC (link)
Sure. I would be honoured.

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Re: Impressive story! - [info]kressel, 2005-05-04 02:34 am UTC
It's up! - [info]kressel, 2005-05-04 04:21 pm UTC
Re: It's up! - [info]galads_forest, 2005-05-04 07:30 pm UTC
Re: It's up! - [info]kressel, 2005-05-06 02:30 am UTC

[info]anima_maxima
2005-05-05 09:39 pm UTC (link)
That was an incredible story. Your description of yourself a few years ago kinda sounds like me now.

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[info]galads_forest
2005-05-06 01:40 am UTC (link)
Are you stuck in that annoying traditionalist but not ready to be frum stage? I hated that one. It was the worst!

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[info]schwevy
2009-02-05 03:35 am UTC (link)
I know this is an old thread, but i happened upon it again, and have to ask...what is wrong with extreme and weird? doesn't that TOTALLY describe us? Just not in the way people meant it! Remember our topics of conversation the first night we met? I like being extreme and weird!

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been waaay too long since we chatted. went to caique a month ago, but missed you and happyduck terribly. the border guard was not amusing, either. kisses!

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